nancial world applying quantitative
and computational techniques to the
process of investment management.
During the early years of D. E. Shaw &
Co., the financial firm, I’d been personally involved in research aimed at
understanding various financial markets and phenomena from a mathematical viewpoint. But as the years
went by and the company grew, I had
to spend more time on general management, and I could feel myself getting stupider with each passing year.
I didn’t like that, so I started solving
little theoretical problems at night just
for fun—things I could tackle on my
own, since I no longer had a research
group like I did when I was on the faculty at Columbia. As time went by, I
realized that I was enjoying that more
and more, and that I missed doing research on a full-time basis.
I had a friend, Rich Friesner, who
was a chemistry professor at Columbia,
and he was working on problems like
protein folding and protein dynamics,
among other things. Rich is a computational chemist, so a lot of what he did
involved algorithms, but his training
was in chemistry rather than computer
science, so when we got together socially, we often talked about some of the
intersections between our fields. He’d
say, “You know, we have this problem:
the inner loop in this code does such-and-such, and we can’t do the studies
we want to do because it’s too slow. Do
you have any ideas?”
Although I didn’t understand much
at that point about the chemistry and
biology involved, I’d sometimes take
the problem home, work on it a little
bit, and try to come up with a solution
that would speed up his code. In some
cases, the problem would turn out to
be something that any computer scientist with a decent background in algorithms would have been able to solve.
After thinking about it for a little while,
you’d say, “Oh, that’s really just a special case of this known problem, with
the following wrinkle.”
One time I managed to speed up the
whole computation by about a factor
of 100, which was very satisfying to me.
It didn’t require any brilliant insight;
it was just a matter of bringing a bit of
computer science into a research area
where there hadn’t yet been all that
much of it.
At a certain point, when I was approaching my 50th birthday, I felt like
it was a natural time to think about
what I wanted to do over the coming
years. Since my graduate work at Stanford and my research at Columbia were
focused in part on parallel architectures and algorithms, one of the things
I spent some time thinking about was
whether there might be some way to
apply those sorts of technologies to
one of the areas Rich had been teaching me about. After a fair amount of
reading and talking to people, I found
one application—the simulation of
molecular dynamics—where it seemed
like a massive increase in speed could,
in principle, have a major impact on
our understanding of biological processes at the molecular level.
It wasn’t immediately clear to me
whether it would actually be possible to get that sort of speed up, but it
smelled like the sort of problem where
there might be some nonobvious way
to make it happen. The time seemed
ripe from a technological viewpoint,
and I just couldn’t resist the impulse to
see if it could be done. At that point, I
started working seriously on the problem, and I found that I loved being
involved again in hands-on research.
That was eight years ago, and I still feel
the same way.
hAnrAhAn: In terms of your goals at
D. E. Shaw Research, are they particularly oriented toward computational
chemistry or is there a broader mission?
shAW: The problems I’m most interested in have a biochemical or biophysical focus. There are lots of other
aspects of computational chemistry
that are interesting and important—
nanostructures and materials science
and things like that—but the applications that really drive me are biological, especially things that might lead
not only to fundamental insights into
molecular biological processes, but
also to tools that someone might use at
some point to develop lifesaving drugs
more effectively.
Our particular focus is on the structure and function of biological molecules at an atomic level of detail, and
not so much at the level of systems biology, where you try to identify and understand networks of interacting proteins, figure out how genetic variations
affect an individual’s susceptibility to
various human diseases, and so forth.
There are a lot of computer scientists
working in the area that’s commonly
referred to as bioinformatics, but not
nearly as many who work on prob-
lems involving the three-dimensional
structures and structural changes that
underlie the physical behavior of in-
dividual biological molecules. I think
there’s still a lot of juicy, low-hanging
fruit in this area, and maybe even some
important unifying principles that
haven’t yet been discovered.
hAnrAhAn: When you mention drug
discovery, do you see certain applica-
tions like that in the near-term or are
you mostly trying to do pure research at
this point?
shAW: Although my long-term hope
is that at least some of the things we
discover might someday play a role in
curing people, that’s not something
I expect to happen overnight. Impor-
tant work is being done at all stages
in the drug development pipeline, but
our own focus is on basic scientific re-
search with a relatively long time hori-
zon, but a large potential payoff. To put
this in perspective, many of the medi-
cations we use today were discovered
more or less by accident, or through
a brute-force process that’s not based
on a detailed understanding of what’s
going on at the molecular level. In
many areas, these approaches seem to
be running out of steam, which is lead-
ing researchers to focus more on tar-
geting drugs toward specific proteins
and other biological macromolecules
based on an atomic-level understand-
ing of the structure and behavior of
those targets.
The techniques and technologies
we’ve been working on are providing
new tools for understanding the biol-
ogy and chemistry of pharmaceutically
relevant molecular systems. Although
developing a new drug can take as long
as 15 years, our scientific progress is
occurring over a much shorter tim-
escale, and we’re already discovering
things that we hope might someday be
useful in the process of drug design.
But I also enjoy being involved in the
unraveling of biological mysteries,
some of which have puzzled research-
ers for 40 or 50 years.
hAnrAhAn: This machine you’ve
built, Anton, is now operational. Can